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#952871 - 03/06/16 03:47 PM GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia
RICH G
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I recently read tat this is now the case....

Wonder why?

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#952874 - 03/06/16 04:25 PM Re: GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia [Re: ]
Dan S. Offline
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Originally Posted By: RICH G


Wonder why?


Monsanto doesn't own the politicians in Russia?
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#952877 - 03/06/16 04:59 PM Re: GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia [Re: ]
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Genetically engineered seeds have shown to have allergic and cancer causing agents for some people. Russia will grow their food the old way through hybridization and genetics, along with China.

This is probably not the answer you are looking for....
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#952880 - 03/06/16 05:28 PM Re: GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia [Re: ]
RICH G
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So why are our farmers forced to use GMO seeds?

In fact some farmers have tried to commercially grow non-GMO crops and the USDA and FDA file injunctions against them, courts have ruled that commercial farmers in America cannot grow non GMO crops, farmers have appealed this and lost on The basis that such non GMO crops would pose a threat.

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#952883 - 03/06/16 05:43 PM Re: GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia [Re: ]
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Rich g., would it be asking too much to add links to your sources?

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#952884 - 03/06/16 06:34 PM Re: GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia [Re: erikj]
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Originally Posted By: erikj
Rich g., would it be asking too much to add links to your sources?


+1

Companies like Monsanto sell GMO and non GMO seed, right? The "forcing" mechanism might be the market. If you have to apply chemicals (pesticides/herbicides) to a non gmo crop, you will occur alot of regulations and cost. So the companies like Monsanto will highly recommend and push their sales and ultimately your product to gmo?

A link would be nice, not sure anyone is being forced..?
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#952886 - 03/06/16 06:50 PM Re: GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia [Re: ]
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Dan nailed it. Monsanto, DOW, Con Agra, et al have a stranglehold on the entire system and politicians from both sides. Our agricultural practices, in this country are so out of balance and destructive and it's with our leaders' blessings that they destroy our water and soil.

My family avoids GMO at every opportunity.
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#952892 - 03/06/16 08:32 PM Re: GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia [Re: ]
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GMO seeds don't grow well in bunkers in the US or missile silos in Russia.
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#952894 - 03/06/16 08:50 PM Re: GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia [Re: ]
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Just how does one define GMO? Most, if not all domesticated animals and food crops are genetically modified through selective breeding, hybridizing, grafting one species to another. Like to see a clear definition.

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#952897 - 03/06/16 09:02 PM Re: GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia [Re: ]
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Hank's home state gets all uppity by listing glyphosate in Roundup as a known carcinogen and guilty parties get sued by Monsanto.

Seems you're safe eating Monsanto's GMO corn for 90 days but not for 2 years. Not surprisingly, this study was reportedly retracted by the publisher against the protests of the authors....

Seems this ubiquitous chemical is even in beer

For those of you that are dealing with diabetes or know someone who is, this two part video on the history of wheat and its correlation to diabetes is very interesting.



The chart showing the growth rate in global usage of modern wheat and the incidence of diabetes during that same time frame infers a likely causal factor.

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#952898 - 03/06/16 09:18 PM Re: GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia [Re: Carcassman]
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Originally Posted By: Carcassman
Just how does one define GMO? Most, if not all domesticated animals and food crops are genetically modified through selective breeding, hybridizing, grafting one species to another. Like to see a clear definition.




http://www.who.int/foodsafety/areas_work/food-technology/faq-genetically-modified-food/en/
1. What are genetically modified (GM) organisms and GM foods?

Genetically modified organisms (GMOs) can be defined as organisms (i.e. plants, animals or microorganisms) in which the genetic material (DNA) has been altered in a way that does not occur naturally by mating and/or natural recombination. The technology is often called “modern biotechnology” or “gene technology”, sometimes also “recombinant DNA technology” or “genetic engineering”. It allows selected individual genes to be transferred from one organism into another, also between nonrelated species. Foods produced from or using GM organisms are often referred to as GM foods.
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#952899 - 03/06/16 09:31 PM Re: GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia [Re: ]
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Hard to believe there are people that don't know what GMO is but it's safe to say that when you have rat DNA in your corn on the cob, your corn is GMO.


http://www.rense.com/general44/cell.htm





In May 2000, for example, Monsanto disclosed for the first time that its genetically engineered soybeans-their most widely used product, which has been on the market for four years-contained additional and unexpected gene fragments. Just one year later, Monsanto had to admit once again that additional unexpected DNA was discovered in the soybeans.

"Despite very visible gaffes by the biotechnology industry, such as illegal corn in taco shells or unapproved genetically engineered livestock in the food supply, it is shocking to learn about experiments that put rat genes in soybeans and chicken genes in corn," added Caplan. "Because genetically engineered crops are poorly regulated and resulting food products carry no consumer label, consumers are all test subjects in a vast
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#952900 - 03/06/16 09:39 PM Re: GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia [Re: RowVsWade]
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So, GMO would include grafting of fruit trees as that does not occur naturally. Many food crops are/were made by human-directed crossing of species of plants.

Certainly, too, GMO would include triploid fish so we should stop using those?

I can see your definition works at the far ends modifications but it gets grayer as one moves towards the middle of the distribution.

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#952901 - 03/06/16 09:50 PM Re: GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia [Re: ]
RICH G
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Even Organic is GMO, in order not to get GMO you need to grow airloom varieties and even then you can't be sure.

The other thing about GMO is that it generally will not produce fertile seed.

As marijuana comercial cultivation gets going no doubt will GMO weed be the thing of the future. They can modify it any way they like. Cross it with plants with carcinogens so it kills you over time like tobacco, better for the economy that way.

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#952902 - 03/06/16 09:58 PM Re: GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia [Re: Carcassman]
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Originally Posted By: Carcassman
So, GMO would include grafting of fruit trees as that does not occur naturally. Many food crops are/were made by human-directed crossing of species of plants.

Certainly, too, GMO would include triploid fish so we should stop using those?

I can see your definition works at the far ends modifications but it gets grayer as one moves towards the middle of the distribution.



Grafting doesn't fu.ck with the DNA and doesn't require a Petri dish and 10 million dollars worth of equipment to accomplish.

As for triploids IDGAF. I wouldn't eat one of those things unless I was starving, besides they fight like wet sweatpants. I don't care what other people do.
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#952904 - 03/06/16 10:07 PM Re: GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia [Re: Carcassman]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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Originally Posted By: Carcassman
Just how does one define GMO? Most, if not all domesticated animals and food crops are genetically modified through selective breeding, hybridizing, grafting one species to another. Like to see a clear definition.



GMO organisms aren't cross-breeds. They aren't even similar.

If you could cross-breed a slug and an elephant, that would be one thing, but you can't. You can, however, splice a slug's genes into an elephant's - THAT is a GMO. It's not like grafting a Gravenstein apple branch on a red delicious tree or cross-pollinating.

It's an apples and oranges comparison, and frankly, I'm surprised you even posed that question.
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#952907 - 03/07/16 05:37 AM Re: GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia [Re: Driftin']
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Originally Posted By: Driftin'
Hank's home state gets all uppity by listing glyphosate in Roundup as a known carcinogen and guilty parties get sued by Monsanto.

Seems you're safe eating Monsanto's GMO corn for 90 days but not for 2 years. Not surprisingly, this study was reportedly retracted by the publisher against the protests of the authors....

Seems this ubiquitous chemical is even in beer

For those of you that are dealing with diabetes or know someone who is, this two part video on the history of wheat and its correlation to diabetes is very interesting.



The chart showing the growth rate in global usage of modern wheat and the incidence of diabetes during that same time frame infers a likely causal factor.


Wheat is one of the items that has increased the carb intake which I believe has a direct impact on the increase of diabetes.






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#952913 - 03/07/16 06:52 AM Re: GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia [Re: ]
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Crossing different species, whether done in a lab or in nature is modifying the genetics of that organisms at a genetic (DNA) level. It may, and has, occurred in nature. It may, and has, occurred in the lab.

My question was just where and how you draw the line. My dad had the heart valve of a pig surgically implanted. Kept him alive. How much of medical research is "GMO"? That bad too?

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#952918 - 03/07/16 08:27 AM Re: GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia [Re: ]
RICH G
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GMO= artificially spliced DNA, mixing multiple species DNA, to get desired traits or response.

Humans could be GMO as well, actually we probably are at this point, either by design or by events of "micro evolution", our bodies adapting to GMO's in our diets and environment at an excellerated rate.

The evidence suggests that we are being modified in one way or another, look at all the evidence; autism, mental illness(60% of the US population is on drugs for mental disorders, from anxiety, depression to bi-polar). That is not normal, we are human beings, we live in an environment we were built to enhabit, the majority of the population should not need drugs just to cope with life, there is no logical reason for it.

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#952927 - 03/07/16 12:59 PM Re: GMO crops\seeds banned in Russia [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Steelspanker
Originally Posted By: Driftin'


For those of you that are dealing with diabetes or know someone who is, this two part video on the history of wheat and its correlation to diabetes is very interesting.



I read a study that showed a correlation between the advent of refined sugar and the advent of Type 2 diabetes. I don't have diabetes and I personally avoid refined sugar.


From the cited video, I found it surprising that a couple slices of whole wheat bread have the same glycemic index as a Snickers bar. Thus, the likely link to such maladies. The speaker's claim is easily verified. So much for eating healthy and food pyramids. You're preaching to the choir regarding the documented downsides to refined sugar. wink

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